Hebrew numerals

[badminton]

It would be nice to support numbering by Hebrew numerals.

[Admin]

Hi, I think this could be added for number between 1 and 9999 ? Similar to Roman Numbers currently in Numbering (10) > Type.

[Admin]

Is this correct?

https://justpaste.it/aupp4

thanks

[Admin]

Added to 4.0.0.7:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6970

[badminton]

Great to see this Hebrew numeral feature added! And so quickly. Sorry I did not respond earlier: I forgot to "follow" the topic to get emails of updates to the topic.

The output you listed at justpaste.it looks good... the only small thing is there are two ways to do numbers that, in so-called "Western Arabic" numerals, end in 15 and 16.

The way you show at justpaste.it is one way (the more "rational" way) but there is also a popular way that uses ?? and ?? to avoid ?? and ?? See the Key Exceptions section on Wikipedia.

The user could implement that other system using search and replace, so it is not so bad to lack it.

But if you wanted to provide it as a convenience, that could be cool.

As to what to call them... "Rational" is a bit pejorative towards the other, more religiously-motivated system, so although I've been using that term, maybe it is not the best.

Perhaps it is best to distinguish the two systems by how they handle numbers that end in 15 (which implies how they handle numbers that end in 16). For example, you could call the two systems:

• Hebrew Numerals - ??
• Hebrew Numerals - ??

Or if you'd rather not use Hebrew letters, due to BiDi issues (LTR/RTL issues) and/or font issues:

• Hebrew Numerals - 10+5
• Hebrew Numerals - 9+6

Or:

• Hebrew Numerals - yod-he
• Hebrew Numerals - tet-vav

[badminton]

Woops! The Preview of my post above looked fine but on submission, all Hebrew letters turned to question marks! Oh well. I think my meaning is clear, as long as you visit that "Key Exceptions" section on Wikipedia.

[Admin]

Thank you! sorry the forum only supports a basic character set

Key exceptions
By convention, the numbers 15 and 16 are represented as (9 + 6) and 9 + 7), respectively, in order to refrain from using the two-letter combinations ?? (10 + 5) and ? (10 + 6), which are alternate written forms for the Name of God in everyday writing. In the calendar, this manifests every full moon since all Hebrew months start on a new moon (see for example: Tu BiShvat).
This convention developed sometimes in the Middle Ages

If this is the most common current format for 15 and 16 maybe we should have it included by default and just call it Hebrew numerals?

[badminton]

I don't know which of the two numbering systems, 10+5 or 9+6, would more commonly be wanted by your users. My particular application is renaming files that correspond to the pages of a scanned book. I want to rename the files so that part of each file's name contains the page number as seen in the image. These page numbers are in Hebrew numerals, in 9+6 form, and are not supplemented by so-called "Western Arabic" numerals. The scanned book is a religious book, so perhaps the fact that it uses 9+6 numbering is not coincidental.

I don't know which of the numbering systems is more popular for Hebrew-numeral page numbers. All I can say is that all books I have with Hebrew-numeral page numbers use the 9+6 system. But I have only a handful of such books, and they are all religious.

My guess is that at least in recently-published books in Hebrew, having Hebrew-numeral page numbers at all is uncommon, and having only Hebrew-numeral page numbers is even more uncommon. And my particular application isn't really needed unless there are only Hebrew-numeral page numbers. So, suffice it to say, my application is obscure.

For lack of information about what other users might want, I think it is probably best to support both kinds of Hebrew numerals.

[Admin]

Thank you, maybe then we can leave it as is, and if wanting to replace 10+5 and 10+6 with 9+6 and 9+7, it can be done with Replace (3) and Special (14) -> Order to do all in one pass.

[badminton]

Thank you, maybe then we can leave it as is, and if wanting to replace 10+5 and 10+6 with 9+6 and 9+7, it can be done with Replace (3) and Special (14) -> Order to do all in one pass.

Yes, I think that is a fine workaround for those (like me) wanting the 9+6 system.